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sam jones's avatar

I hope that it is not too soon to say how much this morning's press conference is to be welcomed along with expressing appreciation of the wisdom and clarity of all those taking part .

I am sure that none of us wish to cause the bereaved parents any further distress. This possibility may not have been entirely avoided to date but it will, hopefully, be not too long before it is clear that no one had malign intent towards their children .

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Cally Starforth's avatar

yes the endless attempts by Lady Thirwell and others to stop us questioning by claiming it is somehow disrespectful of the parents gets on my nerves. Firstly the establishment have never given a toss about victims in the legal process which is why victims have no right under criminal law to receive justice . Secondly I don't see any reason why it would be worse for teh families if they finally found out that rather than being murdered, their babies died due to natural causes/negligence. Surely that would be easier to deal with if anything than having to come to terms with your child being murdered and also for those claiming compensation, they will have a better chance of getting that if negligence is proved as oppose to murder, since legally the hospital has ways of crawling out of payouts if they can prove that Letby breached the employer/employee reltaionship to such a degree that they could not be held responsible. This has all been carefully calculated by management which is in my humble opinion, why they have allowed Lucy to take the blame. But yeh today is great, I have posted a note here because not sure if you wanted the whole press conference but at one point Dr. Shooe Lee questions whether Dewi Evans deliberately set Lucy up https://substack.com/@callystarforth/note/c-91086248?utm_source=notes-share-action&r=1eq51l

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sam jones's avatar

There were no witnesses of Lucy's suggested malign acts, the Coroner was not informed of any suspicion, yesterday a public press conference was held with a panel of very experienced , suitably qualified and distinguished international experts who agreed that babies had died at CoCH but murder was not involved.

They did, however, identify problems with the CoCH unit ( extant during the relevant period of time) which have been highlighted in various items of correspondence.

These practical issues may not be so interesting but each has great significance for patient safety- collectively , there was potential for harm.

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sam jones's avatar

PS.,

One Expert Witness - the Plumber- did confirm plumbing problems at CoCH NICU during the years in question when he gave evidence at the first trial,

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Cally Starforth's avatar

It's worse. Mgt knew there was pseudomos in tap but did not have it replaced

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sam jones's avatar

Some comments associated with yesterday's press conference indicate that issues such as hygiene problems, staffing etc. are not perceived as carrying the same serious dangers for patients as a malign presence. I would guess that , statistically , they are more commonly found and affect more people.

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Keith Rushworth's avatar

Well, Cally, what can I say?

First, you're never going to have a great following or swarms of "Likes" with stuff like this! And what you have now shows what a tiny World it is, especially the world of freethinkers: I am aquainted with Richard Gill! The connection is Lucy.

Regarding the Gematria/occult/etc, I'm aware in broad terms of the things you write about. But your knowledge is encyclopedic!!! And your written output on many subjects is prodigious! You are clearly very bright - in a different life you would probably have done very well; definitely, if you were not hampered in a career by your concern with right and wrong!

Anyway, back to the point. What you write, I think, is either cherry picked from an even larger reservoir of knowledge; or is the result of an impossibly large number of coincidences; or is the result of amazing foward planning by Old Nick himself. I guess I incline to option three, but I'm not qualfied/don't have the energy to try to reach a firm conclusion. In a sense it doesn't matter - there is no shortage of evil out there, and Lucy's treatment is clearly an outworking of it.

My question - at last - given your spiritual knowledge, is, "Have you ever read the New Testament?" And I don't mean the odd verse pointed out to you by some Vicar/Pastor/Minister/whatever, but the whole thing, beginning to end?

Take care,

Keith

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Cally Starforth's avatar

Thanks Keith for your detailed comment. You are right, that I will never have a large following, my stuff will not be seen by many, but it's the way the world works. Yes I have a brain, but I also have a wayward past, and therefore could be an easy target for some. But it is in large part due to the dark in my past that has given me these insights and sent me on this journey (some of that documented in my podcast which is my memoir around the subject of social exclusion and isolation and where that leads) ... and it is that very exclusion and my own negative experiences of the corruption in the criminal 'justice' system and in the NHS in my own life that makes me so angry about what has happened to Lucy. I know how they frame these things. And I have a hatred of injustice and therefore will always stick up for the underdog if I think they have been badly treated. I have read parts of the New Testament but not from start to finish, why do you ask? Are you a Christian? I read from various holy books as I am very interested in the codes, geomatria, astrology involved and the connections in myths worldwide. Are you a friend of Richard Gill or do you mean you are acquainted through reading his work? Thanks for your support for the cause ...

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sam jones's avatar

I share your hatred of injustice and am appalled by the horror of Lucy L's situation. It seems that other hospitals have( or are))unfortunately experiencing similar events and circumstances . Are there clones out there ( rhetorical question ).

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Keith Rushworth's avatar

I knew nothing about Lucy until the first judgement. I ignore MSM beyond scanning the headlines for reasons that will be obvious to you. But you couldn't miss the verdict since it was all over the headlines with ultra-negative comments about Lucy. Hence Wife and I knew immediately that she was innocent. I figured others would already know, so googled and found Richard's site. We then got a bit involved and had contact with Richard and more so with "Chimp Investor" whose name escapes although we stayed in his flat (senior moment!)

Dealing with these things is pretty frustrating and depressing, as you know. We figured all we could do was leave a huge bunch of flowers and mega box of chocolates in Lucy's parents driveway. No access, as their house was semi-fortified. Had a little contact with her Dad, but that was also frustrating 'cos at that time they were fully supportive of their apology for a Defence Team.

Yes, we are Christian, but that statement needs a lot of caveats. We were atheist till 40+, then had a mega-wakeup. (Long,long story.) Went to different churches for several years, but now would not touch any church or cult with a barge pole. Second wakeup was when I discovered that nobody in church reads the whole Bible; and certainly not the leaders. So I did! Many times! New ball game!

Third wakeup was scientific lecture on Darwinism and other stuff. I used to teach phys, chem and bio in high school, so it was right up my street. Churchgoers all prefer BS science to the Bible or sound science. They are also "Christian Zionist," which just happens to be a contradiction in terms! They don't notice!

Intersting life!

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Cally Starforth's avatar

Yes the MSM media came across suspicious to me too. Blatantly perverting the course of Justice prior to the verdict. I felt very sorry for her parents, good that you made contact with her dad. I did write a letter to Lucy in prison, don't know if she got it. You must be pretty bright to teach physic, chem and bio - I would have done physics and engineering in another life - i used to be obsessed with quantum theory . Do you know Roger Penrose? I don't do official church either, I believe there is wisdom in all faiths/spiritual paths. I have tried different churches in past, I enjoyed pentacostal church in Brixton when I lived there. I have also had involvement with Sufism . Christianity is not what they teach in church. Well done for reading the bible more than one, I have read various parts of the Bible and the Koran and looked into astrotheology and began trying to decode but never completed. I have touched on the meaning of Zionism before. Its not only christians that are being misled it is Jews too. Zionism is not really about a physical place. It is a state of mind. Judaism and Islam have much in common as ABrahamic religions and its a shame they cant look at that and find a way to peacefully co-exist.

Chimp INvestor is Peter Elston, he has been in touch with me privately, his podcast with Michael Mcconville was extemely important in helping Lucy's cause. You should write your own newlsetter Keith, sounds like you have alot of interesting stuff to put out there

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Keith Rushworth's avatar

Penrose, along with other mathematical “physicists,’ definitely not my scene! I love Sagnac, who proved the existence of the Ether, but has been totally misrepresented ever since. It's true science, based on Repeatable Experiments, versus maths and other BS science that gives the Powers That Be whatever answer they want.

I grew up in Balham! Cities not my scene, so had 15 years on Outer Hebrides. Now in North Wales.

I read your Elsa poem. Odd, ‘cos I don't do poetry. If I'm reading prose and there's a poem, I skip it! Me Scientist!! However, I do have ‘A’ Level English Literature, and enjoy, eg, Marvel's “Ode to his Coy Mistress” and “Today we have Naming of Parts.” What does that make me?

Elsa grabbed me ‘cos I'm now the total opposite. I have super, long conversations with total strangers all the time. (Unless accompanied by my adult son, who can’t stand it and forbade me absolutely. Why?) Of course, for me there's no pressure - not looking for a partner or anything. But then my now passed Brother-in-Law, Oxford Degree, Head of Big Comprehensive, Methodist Lay Preacher, Top Bod in his community, also couldn't do it. He had to be “In Role.”

I wondered often about writing a book. But it's an effort. And who would read it? I set up a website years ago - my distilled wisdom at the time, simplified. Bad title -christianrethink - first part of the name, Christian, puts off about 95%. The second part, rethink, puts off another 95%. Draw the Venn Diagram on that! It had tens of thousands of hits when I set it up (and paid Google for promotion!) but I don't bother with it any more. It grows moss in some dark corner of cyberspace.

I wonder what would happen if we went for a walk together? I would start loads of conversations. And you would complete them?

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Cally Starforth's avatar

II know Balham. I went to college there. Sound engineering .Lived in Brixton in the 1990s. DId you ever go to Callanish when in Outer Heb? I did enjoy Penrose book 'Emperors New Mind' - if you skip the maths some of the other bits were interesting. I agree on the maths, you can prove anything you want with that, especially when leaving incomplete equations. I always think , imagine if you woke up one day and found yourself in a dark, silent room with no way out, no windows, or doors, no memory of how you got there, no phone or way of contacting anybody to find out. YOu have nothing on you except the clothes you are wearing and in your pocket you find just a piece of paper and a pencil - what would you do to try and work out where you were? Someone Elsa is a song (you read the lyrics) if you click on it you should hear the music. I am fine with talking to strangers but most people aren't. I sometimes try randomly asking people philosophical questions on dog walks (which aren't dog or weather related) to see what they say. Most run quickly away but you get the odd one who can converse. AS for walk, starting finishing conversations, I guess it would depend who's got the bigger mouth ...

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Keith Rushworth's avatar

Callanish unavoidable! It was a local joke that every time you had a visitor, you had to take them there. And it got boring. There's not really much there - not impressive like Stonehenge. The Visitor Centre is very nice, and along with the car park, keeps getting bigger. Several coaches might turn up at one time.

Stornoway recently got a big berth improvement, and can now dock cruise ships with 3,000 passengers. The population of Stornoway is 6,000! Most of those people will want to see the Stones. It can get very busy!

The Stones are famous largely because there isn't much else on Lewis. The first time we went we landed in Harris (which is the same island as Lewis) and decided to head in the direction of Stornoway, stopping whenever we saw anything interesting. Fifty miles later, we were in Stornoway, having not stopped!!!

Can't have been that bad, or we wouldn't have gone to live there.

However, it's tricky if you want a change of scene. There's lunar landscape, and bog, and Stornoway has trees. In North Wales we have an amazing variety of beautiful places within an hour's drive.

Do you have a dog?

Yes, discussing anything deep with people is difficult. Most live their lives very much on the surface - car, new bathroom suite, new nail job, Coronation Street, whatever. A great pity.

Yes, I listened to the song. Being me, preferred it to the poem/lyrics alone.

Another Balham lad I just discovered is Noel "Razor" Smith. He grew up on the wrong side of the tracks, literally, just on the other side of the Common. He's written two books. One about his heavy criminal life, and the second about his years in Grendon Prison, which is, or was, genuinely set up for rehabilitation. He is now an Editor of Inside Time, the Prison Newspaper. A fascinating life. Are you still in London, or have you escaped?

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Richard Gill's avatar

Now, what about Lucia de Berk (“Lucy the birch”). Is that a coincidence? Now my university Leiden, Latin: Lugdunum, has a tradition of fighting for freedom and justice. Our motto is “praesidium libertatis”. The university logo features a lady with both a sword and with scales for weighing, ie for judging innocence or guilt. I forget if she is blindfolded or not. I hope not. Lugdunum might be derived from “the dunes of Loki” and I understand that fires used be burnt on the dune tops in honour of Loki who is a Germanic and male version of Lucy.

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Warren Baxter's avatar

I hadn't known that you have such a distain and misunderstanding of Freemasonry. I have been a member for almost 18 years and can tell you your opinions are a bit harsh and distorted. At the core, it teaches brothers love regardless of culture, religion, or political ideologies. A large part of Masonry involves various charities, including helping out those who are oppressed to charitable works such as that of the Shiners hospital, who provides free medical care for children who would otherwise not be able to have the life saving services otherwise. These are just parts of freemasonry that are not talked about, because these works should be done in secret- not expecting anything in return.

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Cally Starforth's avatar

I guessed you were a mason from your writing so I knew you would not like these kind of articles I write. I started my article by pointing out that sacred geometry is a great thing before I put my criticism of freemasonry. Obviously being a mason you are not going to agree with my point of view, so I wouldn't expect you to. HOwever I don't have a misunderstanding . My own father was a freemason because he was a maritime lawyer, and I have had other friends who are attached to one or other lodge so I have never said that all masons are out for evil, however what you don't understand is how freemasonry is at the centre of the control system in British society adn how they manipulate local areas. If you think freemasonry is teaching love, then you are not understanding what love is. Love does not need to be taught, it needs to be given Love is never secret. It is open and inclusive and understands the unity. And love does not involve absurd rituals and threats of violence for breaking obligations (whether allegory or not). As far as I am concerned you write some interesting articles which often have common strands to mine so lets agree to disagree and stick to what we have in common in our writing.

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sam jones's avatar

I believe that my GF., was a Freemason and that I met him once or twice. I was not told who he was. My father was his only child and his life was surrounded by secrecy and the shame of being born to an unmarried mother. It was a deep and troubling issue for him. I once asked my mother about Freemasonry ( must have been talked of in the family group). She replied that " they do a lot to help children". And I think that my father was cared for by various members of the wider family. The value of the secrecy is a double edged sword - it can be helpful but also conceals a great deal.

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Cally Starforth's avatar

that is exactly the problem. I suppose it depends what we call 'helping children'. I am sure Bill Gates calls what he does in AFrican 'helping children'. Ultimately it is about control

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sam jones's avatar

Yes. It is my belief that being guardians of the nation plays a big role in more senior grades . An influence on what it is good for us to know and what is not.

I understand that as progress is made through the FM., oganisational structure members become exposed to new ideas, theories, beliefs etc. and possibly move in the direction of other faith systems.

I know of a former Fm., who appeared to have a very limited knowledge of the rules and regs., beyond cooperating with the needs of other FM.s and paying his dues. He remembered very little about the oath ( available publicly on line.

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sam jones's avatar

PS., Members are bonded through secrecy- if one breaks ranks " all "are exposed.

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Keith Rushworth's avatar

May I ask what Degree you are?

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Warren Baxter's avatar

32 (Scottish Rite), Knight of St. Andrew, and a Knights Templar (York Rite)

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Richard Gill's avatar

The so-called continental system is not so bad! It is the child of the enlightenment. The enlightenment which unfortunately did not reach Britain. The Spanish (armada), French (Napoleon), Germans (Hitler) all failed to conquer Britain and as a consequence Britain remains an archaic backwater. In Europe, “ancient regimes” were destroyed by temporary foreign conquest. The rebuilding which took place after liberation delivered rejuvenisation of judicial systems which were actually long past their use-by date. Actually, one better is to combine inquisitorial and jury systems. This is already done in several European countries. And in effect, in Britain, pre-trial conferences of judge, barristers, and experts are inquisitorial. A private pre-trial “Inquiry”. In the Letby case the problem was that the defence did not find good experts and the judge was a dinosaur.

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Cally Starforth's avatar

I didn't say continental was bad, just that they going in that direction. Both systems have their advantages and disadvantages as I have pointed out before in other articles https://callystarforth.substack.com/p/lucy-letby-convictions-who-benefits Ultimately which system is irrelevant , as the issue is corruption which happens in both systems due to hominids (and other animals) being overwhelmingly naturally dishonest. Same reason that neither communism or capitalism work in practice. I am an anarchist, I accept none of their laws, whether common law or legislation ... the defence found Michael Hall but didn't use him. It is still not clear why? Limits on legal aid might have been a factor. Or the fact that Myers was going for 'no case to answer'. But then why call a plumber? Myers seemed to claim it was Lucy who told him not to use expert, but I think that is unlikely. It would really help understanding if we knew why Myers failed in presenting experts because with no explanation you have to wonder if he was 'got to' ...

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