From the description Jayaram looked on as another doctor, a locum (replacement) tried to insert a breathing tube into the just-born, 600 gram, baby K. This doctor needed three tries, apparently having used the wrong size (too big ?) the first two times. Who watches while someone who is not experienced apparently, needs three tries for a procedure ?
And could that maybe be the reason the breathing tube was dislodged, because bringing it in was done so clumsily, irritating the insides of baby K. ?
No wonder Jayaram came to check on the baby, he must have been worried about that tube. Yet he explained he came "because he realized the baby was with Lucy Letby".
Lucy did not have her hands in the incubator Jayaram said. He did not see her do anything. Oh wait, that was the next accusation - that she was doing nothing, just observing. Many neo-nat nurses have explained how they often wait-and-observe because a baby can get into better breathing from one moment to the next. And the last thing they want, is yet another procedure on the preemie.
And what did the morphine-bolus do, apart from numbing pain ? Would it have slowed the breathing of the baby ?
Next Q.: what is in the additional materials I keep reading about, that were given to the jurors (hundreds of pages !) Does anyone here have access to that ? There must be some very damning facts inthat text, because it has convinced several juries by now of nurse Letby's guilt !!!
The morphine given to baby k was given after the collapse so whatever effect it had on the baby is not relevant to the question of whether Lucy tried to murder the baby or not. What is relevant is that Jayaram claimed that the baby was on morphine before Lucy was supposed to have thec the tube . But the hospital records show that he was incorrect, he was trying to make it look as if the baby could not have moved enough to dislodge the tube itself, As for all the documents given to the jury , there was alot of medical notes on the babies , they were all very sick or premature and all their deaths were ruled as natural at the time
And meant to say that Science on Trial had access to much of these medical details and the scientist there have done in depth analysis of the data and have shown how all these deaths were likely a cluster (which happens) and all can easily be explained through natural causes. There was also a sewage leak on the ward which was likely factor in some of the deaths . And the jury was not unanimous in all deaths so the judge moved the goalposts to allow a majority verdict but murder cases of such a serious nature should need a unanimous decision for a guilty verdict. Someone on that jury was not convinced
Yes, I know this. But if the morphine had any effect on the baby - as well as the morphine given to other babies - that would be important for their overall condition. Every medical intervention done to these babies probably diminished their chances to stay alive.
The notes given to jurors should be made available to experts. Apparently all they did was confuse the members of the jury into thinking murder was afoot.
Yes there seems to be different opinions amongst medics of the benefits and drawbacks of morphine use in babies, but Lucy was not accused of doing anything to cause baby K's actual death , she was only accused 'bizarrely' of attempting to murder the baby before it was on morphine. Yes I agree it is pretty pointless giving complex medical notes to juries, I think there should be scope for having at least one or two medical staff picked to be on the jury in cases like this ...
From the description Jayaram looked on as another doctor, a locum (replacement) tried to insert a breathing tube into the just-born, 600 gram, baby K. This doctor needed three tries, apparently having used the wrong size (too big ?) the first two times. Who watches while someone who is not experienced apparently, needs three tries for a procedure ?
And could that maybe be the reason the breathing tube was dislodged, because bringing it in was done so clumsily, irritating the insides of baby K. ?
No wonder Jayaram came to check on the baby, he must have been worried about that tube. Yet he explained he came "because he realized the baby was with Lucy Letby".
Lucy did not have her hands in the incubator Jayaram said. He did not see her do anything. Oh wait, that was the next accusation - that she was doing nothing, just observing. Many neo-nat nurses have explained how they often wait-and-observe because a baby can get into better breathing from one moment to the next. And the last thing they want, is yet another procedure on the preemie.
And what did the morphine-bolus do, apart from numbing pain ? Would it have slowed the breathing of the baby ?
Next Q.: what is in the additional materials I keep reading about, that were given to the jurors (hundreds of pages !) Does anyone here have access to that ? There must be some very damning facts inthat text, because it has convinced several juries by now of nurse Letby's guilt !!!
The morphine given to baby k was given after the collapse so whatever effect it had on the baby is not relevant to the question of whether Lucy tried to murder the baby or not. What is relevant is that Jayaram claimed that the baby was on morphine before Lucy was supposed to have thec the tube . But the hospital records show that he was incorrect, he was trying to make it look as if the baby could not have moved enough to dislodge the tube itself, As for all the documents given to the jury , there was alot of medical notes on the babies , they were all very sick or premature and all their deaths were ruled as natural at the time
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And meant to say that Science on Trial had access to much of these medical details and the scientist there have done in depth analysis of the data and have shown how all these deaths were likely a cluster (which happens) and all can easily be explained through natural causes. There was also a sewage leak on the ward which was likely factor in some of the deaths . And the jury was not unanimous in all deaths so the judge moved the goalposts to allow a majority verdict but murder cases of such a serious nature should need a unanimous decision for a guilty verdict. Someone on that jury was not convinced
Yes, I know this. But if the morphine had any effect on the baby - as well as the morphine given to other babies - that would be important for their overall condition. Every medical intervention done to these babies probably diminished their chances to stay alive.
The notes given to jurors should be made available to experts. Apparently all they did was confuse the members of the jury into thinking murder was afoot.
Yes there seems to be different opinions amongst medics of the benefits and drawbacks of morphine use in babies, but Lucy was not accused of doing anything to cause baby K's actual death , she was only accused 'bizarrely' of attempting to murder the baby before it was on morphine. Yes I agree it is pretty pointless giving complex medical notes to juries, I think there should be scope for having at least one or two medical staff picked to be on the jury in cases like this ...
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